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Anyone find anything similiar to grizzly fine cut natural?
I have been a long time Copenhagen long cut Dipper (nothing else compares at all), down to a roll every week in a half now from 2 cans a day. My wife and kids have begged me to quit. I am now going to take the step forward, man up and do it. I’ve tried before yet always needing something in my mouth. Hence I tried out the Smokey mountain product and did not like it at all. This was a failed attempt. Anyone here the same, or was the same as I, and what product is closest to Copenhagen long cut? Any suggestions I would be very pleased with.
Hey Justin,
Nothing that you see of these fake dips will replace the real stuff. What you have to do, is find one “that’ll do”. Personally, I enjoyed the Triumph line. If you try them, be sure to only use the Zero Strength variety, since they have some products that are tobacco free, but with nicotine additives. I also like Hooch, the feel was really close to the real stuff….Spitfire and Peach we’re my favorites. Key Lime was good too. I always thought Smokey Mountain Straight and Classic “tasted” like Cope…but I was a Skoal guy. I tried a lot of them, Jake’s, Eagle, Holt, Bacoff, Elicit (I like Elicit, very fine cut tho). I can’t remember all of them…but I rarely use them now, over 3 years clean.
But, none of them will be an “exact” replacement. You just have to “man up”, find one that will do and stay away from nicotine.
It’s the hardest and most rewarding thing I did for myself….and no one else. It’s a selfish statement, but when it comes down to it, you have to do it for yourself to keep yourself honest.
I was a Skoal long cut guy, Triumph classic and Wintergreen we’re the ones that I felt “would do”. We’re all different. I also used sunflower seeds like crazy. Gum, water, cardio, a heavy bag, this website, God….they were all my tools to get through the craziness. I suggest trying a few samplers from the companies to find one that will do. Good Luck Justin!
-JP
Thank you JP, I really appreciate the advice
I will share what is working well for me. I’ve been chewing for over 31 years now, and have found that changing flavor or brand at any point of those 31 years to be a challenge, simply because it’s something different in my mouth (flavor, texture). As a true and willing addict I have adapted each time to a new flavor.
My previous attempts to quit over the years have failed, and dramatically at that. It seemed that breaking the nicotine addiction and keeping my mouth entertained were too large of a mountain to climb. So I broke this into a two part process. Part 1 is breaking the nicotine addiction and Part 2 is addressing the never ending fetish to have something in my mouth.
Find a flavor that you can tolerate, spend the time and money on different products, and do this long enough and you will find something you don’t completely dislike. Given the previous failures, I decided to try blending the new herbal with my favorite real tobacco. I started with 80% real / 20% herbal to get used to the new flavor and texture in my mouth. Naturally I found the initial change very difficult, but I hunkered down knowing I could outlast this unhappiness. And outlast I did. I have been gradually working my blend down of the real chew and currently at 10% real and 90% herbal. Each step downward has been fairly uneventful for me. Take your time at this. It’s not unreasonable that you spend a number of months working to the goal of 0% real chew. I’m very confident that the end of the real is close for me and I’ve not lost my mind doing it either. Once my nicotine addiction is a distant memory I will consider reduction of the herbal. Frankly I’m just not concerned about ending the mouth fetish portion at this time. It just doesn’t matter, and doesn’t do the damage that real tobacco does to us. Commit to your process, put it on a calendar to track progress if needed. Keep your wife and kids involved in your plan and progress. They are an awesome cheerleading section for you, and I bet they would be willing to help any way they can. Good luck, you’ll get where you want to be.
I’m just starting the quitting process. I really like your idea. Could you give me a sample of time? Say 2 weeks 90-10 and then 2 weeks 80-20. Is that correct? Been dipping cope for 37 years and trying to get this over with.
I also find little things each time I try to quit that hold me back and this time it is finding one of the alternatives doesn’t pack like sh*t… I’ve been trying smoky mountain and after what seems like a good tight wad it falls apart in what seems like seconds and at times is just a mess coming out of the can…
Any suggestions out there?
Hey, Andy! After trying several options I have found Hooch to feel and pack most like tobacco. However, personally, I don’t feel,like their flavor is all that great. In my opinion Key Lime is best followed by Whiskey. The other thing I’ve done is purchase a can of Bacc-Off Wintergreen Energized and a can of their Wintergreen rough cut. Mixed the 2 together in a baggie and then scooped them back into the cans and found that to pack okay. I never used pouches with tobacco, but I don’t mind Bacc-Off’s Wintergreen, Straight and Mint pouches.
Hey y’all, my husband is a Copenhagen snuff user since we were in high school. We have a 16 month old and a baby on the way and he is really ready to quit so I’m doing my best to be supportive and find a way to help. I was going to order the smokey mountain straight but just curious if anyone else was a Copenhagen snuff user and found a “similar” alternative. Thanks!
Buy him a bunch of different flavored sunflower seeds (I like Bigs Seeds because I can order them right from their website). For the fake snuff, I tried Jakes, Smokey Mountain, and Bacc off, with Smokey Mountain being my favorite because of the flavor and texture. Smokey mountain wintergreen is the one I buy the most even though I was a Copenhagen addict, but I have to say the grape Smokey Mountain tastes like Hubba Bubba!
I am just over a year and never imagined I would be able to make it this far. The seeds and Smokey Mountain definitely gave me the advantage. Good Luck!
Hey all… on Day 4 of my quit so getting over the nicotine withdrawal but the hardest part is that I actually miss dipping. Not so much the nicotine, just “having a dip”. Longtime Copenhagen Long Cut user. Any suggestions on something that tastes similar?
Thanks
Dave, I always thought Smokey Mountain Straight (and even the Classic) tasted like Copenhagen. Obviously, the cut is longer, but the taste, to me, was similar.
You won’t find anything that will be “exactly” the same, I never found a replacement that was “exactly” like Skoal Wintergreen, the key is finding something that “will do”.
Good Luck!
-JP
I know how ya feel dude. I need to quit this crap too. Every time I start a quit routine, something irritates me back to it. Anyway. Good luck. I know it’s possible. We all need to create better habits and eliminate vices. Chewing used to be my crux for getting productive things done. Now it’s just an extra thing I need every waking hour.
I am a Grizzly mint guy. I have tried Smokey Mountain, but not working. What else can I try?
When you say it’s “not working”… what are you wanting it to do? No fake dip is going to kill craves the way the real stuff did. It’ll help in terms of your oral fixation but it’s not going to “cure” all of your withdrawal symptoms. That said there are some great mint alts out there. If you don’t like SMC, give Hooch Mint a shot. It’s probably my personal favorite mint on the market: https://www.killthecan.org/hooch-snuff-review/
I am looking to quit dipping but find myself wanting a dip when I am sewing, cleaning, and a lot of other things. I use Copenhagen Wintergreen. I am really big on the texture and have found that this is my biggest problem with the nicotine free alternatives. Does anyone have any suggestions on one that is not dry, is more of a long cut, and won’t fall apart within seconds of putting a pinch in?
Hi Dawn – I was a Kodiak Wintergreen guy for nearly 16 years.
I’d suggest starting with either Hooch Wintergreen, Smokey Mountain Wintergreen or Bac-Off Wintergreen. There are a couple of varieties as well.
Hooch offers a “rough cut” https://www.killthecan.org/hooch-snuff-rough-cut-review/ which isn’t QUITE long cut, but close. They original Wintergreen has long been my standard bearer of best Wintergreen on the market: https://www.killthecan.org/hooch-snuff-review/
Smokey Mountain has a great consistency but it’s a little too “Skoal Wintergreen” for me. https://www.killthecan.org/smokey-mountain-snuff-review/
Finally, Bacc-Off Wintergreen comes in Wintergreen, Extra Wintergreen and Energized Wintergreen. Each have their own merits / tastes. https://www.killthecan.org/bacc-off-review/
Sorry if this is more than you were looking for. I tend to be a bit overzealous when it comes to this stuff 😉
I’ve dipped Copenhagen Wintergreen long cut for 8 years & tried several different alternatives. The best way to find your right fix, is to order 1 can of as many different brands as possible.
I’m big on the flavor of Cope Wgreen. But, if an alternative doesn’t provide that same kind of burn, it just isn’t good enough for me. After reading a lot of reviews, I decided to try HOOCH – Spitfire flavor (made w/ Tabasco & Cayenne pepper). Sounds odd, but works. It gives a better burn than any tobacco I’ve ever used & the rough cut is the best texture of any I’ve tried.
Any suggestions on alternatives for a guy whose been chewing Copenhagen straight? I love that flavor and would need something just like it to kick it!
Halden, you will not find anything “exactly” like your Cope. The key with these fake chews is to find something either “close” or one that “will do”. Personally, I used Skoal Long Cut Wintergreen. I found that Smokey Mountain Wintergreen, Hooch Classic and Triumph (zero strength-no nic) Classic & Wintergreen “worked”. None of them were anything near that nasty ass Skoal I abused for 30 years. I found that these ones were what helped me in a pinch. Fast Forward almost 3 years, I still use all three of these brands, once in a while, when I’m in the mood.
Most of the cope users said that the Triumph Zero Strength Cinnamon was good, because it burned. They also said that the Hooch Spitfire did as well. I can tell you that the “finest” cut I had was from Elicit. Not sure if they are even around anymore, but their cut reminded me of the Cope cut. I have always thought that Smokey Mountain Classic and Straight “tasted” somewhat like Cope. I chewed Skoal, but have tried many of the brands out there, Cope included. I was a Kodiak guy long before the Skoal.
But none of them will be exactly like your Cope…the key, find one that does the job and stop using the nicotine.
Good Luck!
-JP
I got smokey mountain straight and it tastes pretty much just like copenhagen straight I dip natural extra long cut and I’m struggling to find anything that tastes kinda like it
Hey guys – was a big Grizzly wintergreen (dark) pouches guy. I was a big fan of how juicy they were – i’m going on a week now tobacco free and have tried Grinds (all of them basically suck, and they are incredibly dry). The TeaZa stuff isn’t bad, though you don’t spit with that, its basically just like an oversized Snus with orbit gum inside. Any suggestions what is closest like Griz Wintergreen Pouches? Trying to be done for good, so any suggestions at least close to what Griz was like would be helpful. Thanks!
Give the Generation II Bacc Off pouches a try: http://blog.killthecan.org/2016/04/gen-ii-bacc-off-pouches-review/
Habitual Havits.
I acknowledge that I need help. I recently had fluid on my brain that would not drain or be absorbed into my body. It required two shunts be put in my brain. My wife would like for me to quite dipping. For the record, I would like that as well. 40 years of dipping is enough! I have tried to quite in the past. For me, the nicotine is relatively easy to quite. However, the habit of dipping is my down fall. Any ideas on a substitute that will help with that urge? (If I am hunting in the woods, I’m going to put in a dip.)
I’m leaning towards nuts of some kind. Any suggestions you have for me will be greatly appreciated.
Bill
What was your brand of choice Bill? Happy to see if I can help point you in the right direction with a substitute that may help.
Dude… Bottom line: If you gonna quit, you gotta make friends with pain. No fake dip even comes close to Copenhagen long cut. Copey ain’t sweet. Every single fake-dip I’ve tried is sweet as hell. The “straight” stuff tastes like Pepto Bismol. But even if you did miraculously find something that was close, it won’t have nicotine in it. So your body and your mind are gonna scream like your skin’s crawling off. Just gotta bust it upside the head. Don’t give in. Get pissed off about it. Grit your teeth. Kick something. Make friends with pain.
That’s what I did with both dip and OXYCODONE! Talk about some withdrawals now…
Three years clean this Thanksgiving. Nowadays, I miss my old friend “Pain.” 😉
Best of luck, friend.
j
I’ve been dipping for 18 years and it’s Grizzly Wintergreen long-cut I tried a bunch of different fake dip out there but nothing comes close is there anything that comes close to Grizzly Wintergreen long-cut that’s safe and won’t hurt me that will help me stop the real stuff
I was a Kodiak Wintergreen guy for nearly 16 years (along with pit stops for Skoal Cherry along the way).
I’d suggest starting with either Hooch Wintergreen, Smokey Mountain Wintergreen or Bac-Off Wintergreen.
Hey Tom I also have been chewing griz wintergreen for the most of my 18 years of chewing. I have tried to quit also without much luck so far. Give triumph chew a try buy online with different strengths of nicotine including 0. You have to really want to quit. That being said I’m gearing up to go another round with quitting again and have a stash of triumph in different flavors. I really also need to quit. Good luck Tom!
Ken
Hey Brandon,
I’m partial to the loose stuff, as stated by Chewie, BaccOff has pouches and Triumph now has pouches too. I bought a can of Triumph pouches for a friend trying to quit, he too uses (notice I said uses, he hasn’t quit…Yet) Grizzly. He did say they were juicy…I tried one, but for me, I’ve always used loose. I never could get them pouches “wet” enough for a spat. They seemed like the Skoal pouches to me. Just thought I’d give you another option. I will add, if you do try the Triumph patches, be sure you order the “Zero Strength” ones (no Nicotine). Otherwise you’re not getting away from one of the biggest problems with dipping, the Nicotine!
Good luck.
JP
Quit just before Xmas (for like the umpteenth time). Dipped for I don’t even wanna count the years (or more like decades). I flipped between Skoal Mint and straight Cope. Maybe I’m weird, but while most people miss the burn, I miss the spitting. It must be my attention span–I need for something to occupy me. Anyways, any recommendations on which brands are best spitting tobaccos would be great. I think that would help me quit forever this time. I did try some of these before, but I found that if I didn’t need to spit, then I basically would wind up eating them.
I just tried Hooch brand and it’s spitting properties are nice and it has the burn to go with it. Good luck!
I have read many of these reviews but I would like to know if there is a specific brand of alternative dip that was very similar to the Kodiak wintergreen flavor you used to dip. I’m a Grizzly dipper looking to stop. Thanks
Hey Stephen – I was a Kodiak Wintergreen guy for nearly 16 years (along with pit stops for Skoal Cherry along the way).
I’d suggest starting with either Hooch Wintergreen, Smokey Mountain Wintergreen or Bac-Off Wintergreen. There are a couple of varieties as well.
Hooch offers a “rough cut” http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/01/hooch-snuff-rough-cut-review/ which isn’t QUITE long cut, but close. They original Wintergreen has long been my standard bearer of best Wintergreen on the market: http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/hooch-snuff-review/
Smokey Mountain has a great consistency but it’s a little too “Skoal Wintergreen” for me. http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/09/smokey-mountain-snuff-review/
Finally, Bacc-Off Wintergreen comes in Wintergreen, Extra Wintergreen and Energized Wintergreen. Each have their own merits / tastes. http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/05/bacc-off-review/
Sorry if this is more than you were looking for. I tend to be a bit overzealous when it comes to this stuff 😉 ~ Chewie
Hi there…. New to the site but find all this very helpful. My wife and I are working to conceive a child and I’ve heard that my bad habit may be decreasing my chances. Question: anyone tried mixing fake and real? Any side effects? I chew Copenhagen Wintergreen and nothing really compares. I thought maybe mixing the two might be a good way to ween myself down. Thanks
That’s referred to as the “titration method”. There are some people that I’m sure have had success with it… but it’s not something we subscribe to. I know MANY people that have cut down, cut down, cut down… but never actually stopped.
IF you’re going to go that route, and I don’t suggest it, then you NEED to make sure you’re working toward a goal… a date… of complete nicotine freedom. Then, and only then, can you truly start your recovery. Let us know how we can help!
Sounds bad but I love the burn and haven’t found anything herbal but there’s so many brands it seems. I’ve been dipping for almost 20 years and I’ll be 40 in July so it’s probably not even worth quiting anymore, but I figured I’d look at reviews
A) there are a TON of great fake dips out there that will give you more burn that you know what to do with.
B) I’m 40… it’s worth it. Trust me.
Can you give me a option? I really need to quit but love the burn. I like natural tasting dip like Copenhagen long cut which is what I’ve been doing. Do you have any good suggestions?
Hi Joe –
Cope is a tough one to find a good alt for. I was a Kodiak Wintergreen guy so take my recommendations with a grain of salt, but I’d point you to these as a starting point:
Hooch (Classic or Spitfire)
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/hooch-snuff-review/
http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/01/hooch-snuff-rough-cut-review/
Bacc Off Energized Straight
http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/05/bacc-off-review/
Triumph Classic (non-nicotine version)
http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/07/triumph-chew-review-tobacco-free-herbal-chew/
There are a couple of coffee based products that I’ve heard some Cope users enjoy. Personally I didn’t see the similarity to Cope but again I was a Kodiak guy:
Go Coffee Energy
http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/10/go-coffee-energy-review-a-cup-in-a-pinch/
Cowboy Coffee Chew
http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/04/cowboy-coffee-chew-major-league-coffee-dip-reviews/
And finally, if your’e looking for a pouch product, there are a couple of good ones:
BaccOff Gen II
http://blog.killthecan.org/2016/04/gen-ii-bacc-off-pouches-review/
Grinds Coffee Pouches
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/grinds-coffee-pouches-review/
Sorry if this is more detail than you were looking for. Let me know how we can help!
Chewie
Hey Joe,
I just finished a can of Classic Hooch myself, about a week ago…Like Chewie, I was a Wintergreen guy (Skoal), but I had tried Cope several times in my 30 years of abuse. I’d say the Classic Hooch or the Smokey Mountain Straight is “close” to cope. The SpitFire sure does give some burn…I’ve tried that too.
I am partial to the Triumph Zero Strength products, that do not include nicotine.
But recently, I purchased a variety pack of the “rough cut” (they offer a fine cut too) of Hooch and was much more impressed this time around than my first. I’d say the “feel” is very close to tobacco. Some of them do give a good burn too.
So, I recommend trying the Hooch variety and Smokey Mountain classic or straight…Those are close to the taste of Cope.
I read someone out here thought the Classic Triumph and the Cinnamon Triumph were close to cope…Although a great fake alternative, I didn’t find either of them Cope like… Different strokes for different folks I guess.
The key, finding something that will “do” while you get away from nicotine.
Good Luck!
JP
Cush, the Hottest Herbal Chew I’ve had is SpitFire and it’s made by Hooch. In fact, I just ordered an 8 can sampler. I’ve been kind of wanting to try it again. I had it about 2 years ago and found it has the most burn.
Also, give the Zero Strength Triumph, Cinnamon flavor a try….It too has some burn. But hands down, the Spit Fire Hooch is the hottest herbal I’ve tried. I beleive they use a dry tobassco and Cheyenne Pepper in it….It warn for sure.
Remember, none of these herbals will be “exactly” the same as the junk we’ve all abused for years. The key is, finding something that will “due”.
Good Luck!
-JP
Dumb down your expectations 1st & foremost when it comes to fake dip, nothing is gonna replace that chemically laced crap you shovel into your face. Once you do that, try Hooch, def got some burn to it. That being 40 yrs old comment, c’mon dude, not trying to be a jerk, but that’s a ridiculous comment from someone that doesn’t wanna quit. I’m 45 yrs old, dipped since I was 10 yrs old, 2 yrs quit this month. Once you take it seriously, you can do it.
If you get Hooch, Jay P is right, that Spitfire is smoking hot. I actually use the Spitfire & mix it with other flavors. Try the Hooch sample pack, well worth it. The new Key Lime flavor is outstanding.
I strongly suggest getting a Hooch sample pack, very reasonable price & you can pick what you like.
Wolf replacement. Need some help quitting. I can go days without dip, but I always seem to go back to my bad habit. After 20 years of pouches, I got to break this! I have tries some of these, but good god the taste is horrible. I like the Wolf brand because of the moisture of the pouches. I would love to have something that is affordable, but also provides some sort of health aspect. I’d love some recommendations on something that will help, but not taste like crap.
Hi there. I’ve been an avid smokeless tobacco user for 17 years. I mostly used Copenhagen Long Cut and various brands of Wintergreen snuff. I just recently decided to quit and I’m proud to say that I’ve been tobacco free and nicotine free as of 10/15/16. I quit cold turkey without any assistance. The first two days were extremely hard, but it does get easier as time goes on and it is totally worth it. Quitting cold turkey is the best way to go. I feel like I don’t need the nicotine anymore and I’m not craving it either.
There are days where I can go without having anything in mouth, however, I do find myself chewing a lot of gum at times, and once in a while I will still get that urge to have some kind of tobacco-like substance in my lip since I was so used to having a chew in my lip throughout most of the day, so I recently decided to give some of the tobacco free herbal snuff a try just to satisfy my urges, and let me tell you, they do not disappoint. I’m just extremely happy knowing that there’s a type of snuff out there that won’t actually kill me or cause problems with my mouth. The only ones that I’ve tried are Bacc Off and Smokey Mountain. I do plan on trying Hooch soon though.
These are my opinions of the two herbal snuffs that I’ve tried: Smokey Mountain was the first herbal snuff that I’ve tried. It has a great bold taste. The best way I can describe it is that it doesn’t taste like any type of real snuff that I’ve ever had before. All of the flavors that I’ve tried have a very outdoors type taste, almost something like a hickory smoked flavor, and all of the flavors have a bit of a bite to them due to the cayenne pepper in it. The texture and consistency though was a little disappointing. It would usually break apart in my lip fairly easy, leaving a lot of floaties. The flavors I’ve tried from Smokey Mountain were Wintergreen, Grape, Cherry and Classic. Wintergreen and Grape being my favorites, Classic being my least favorite and Cherry being somewhere in the middle. I still have yet to try the Peach, Citrus, Arctic Mint and Straight flavors.
Bacc Off is a whole different story. The texture and consistency was great and didn’t break apart as easily, but the taste was horrible. I’ve only tried the Wintergreen and Straight flavors from Bacc Off. I thought that the Wintergreen had way too much peppermint in it and the Straight flavor tasted like the smell of dish washing detergent. Both the Wintergreen and Straight flavors of this brand of herbal snuff definitely reminded me of Kodiak snuff which I absolutely hated when I was chewing the real stuff. I most likely won’t be purchasing anymore of the Bacc Off Herbal Snuff in the future because of the horrible taste.
I’m hoping that Hooch has the bold taste of Smokey Mountain mixed with the texture and consistency of Bacc Off. For the Hooch flavors, I was planning on trying the Wintergreen, Classic, Spitfire and Whiskey flavors. If anyone else has any suggestions for their favorite herbal snuff or flavors, let me know. I’m a big Wintergreen and Copenhagen Long Cut person, so I’ll like pretty much anything with a Wintergreen or a Copenhagen Long Cut taste.
Good stuff Tom – thanks for the feedback. Looking forward to your thoughts on Hooch. Here’s my Hooch review from back in the day: http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/hooch-snuff-review/
No Problem. I’ll write a view after I get a can.
All good stuff Tom and congrats on getting away from that awful habit too. Almost a month, you’re doing great!
I’ve tried all the ones you have, Hooch too. That SpitFire was my favorite in the Hooch lineup. Hot, hot, hot!
I really liked the Triumph line too. Just stay away from the ones that contain nicotine. You want the “Zero Strength” (No Nicotine) ones if you order.
But you are certainly on the right track…let everyone know what your thoughts are…people like to hear the good and bad on products. I’ve tried almost all of them…they truly are all, great products.
Good Luck!
-JP
Thanks JP. I’m so glad I quit. I look back at it now and think “All of those years that I’ve wasted money on tobacco, I could’ve saved.” That’s one great thing about quitting. It leaves a little extra money in your pocket, and the other is not having a dependency anymore. I should’ve quit sooner, but oh well, lesson learned.
What’s the best alternative to Copenhagen Snuff. It’s a natural flavor snuff cut. I can “tolerate” winter green and strait but hate mint. I’ve been using smokey mountain original and it’s not bad. But I’m lookin for the that snuff taste thanks
Just wondering, and sorry if you already answered this, add I’m currently on the clock, so don’t have time to read this woke post, but, I chew mainly woke I’m working, which can make any visible sign of tobacco undesirable. Are these fake chews spitting or spitless?
Hi Nathan – some of them require you to spit but there are several that do not. Coffee and Tea based products such as Grinds or Teaza (both in pouch format) do not require you to spit.
I’ve been tobacco free now foe over 3 years. For me what worked there best was coffee grounds. If you like coffee it’s the best way to go. I would carry it in an old Kodiak can and get a dip whenever I had the urge. I still use it to battle the occasional urge. The absolute best part is my job provides coffee so it doesn’t cost me a thing. If you spit it it has a similar color to real snuff or you can swallow with no trouble. I hope this helps someone. Thanks and don’t give up!
Any ideas as to what would be the best alternative for Grizzly Wintergreen pouches?
The NEW Gen II Pouch from Bacc Off is pretty good… give it a try if you haven’t. I was never a Grizzly guy though. 95% Copenhagen Snuff or 5 % Skoal Wintergreen fine cut.
any ideas which is the best to switch from Grizzly Wintergreen Long Cut?
I want to know if you find something please, I’ve tried the smokey mountain but it’s not the same or even close to the flavor or feel.
Steve & Rob,
I was a Skoal guy, but now am over 700 days free from that shit. I’m going to tell you both (and the entire board), there isn’t a single fake alternative that is going to give you the all in one, “same” taste, feel and satisfaction as the real stuff. Some of them will be close on flavor, I think the Straight Smokey Mountain is very close to Cope. Some will be close on cut, I think Elicit (Zero Strength) was very close to Skoal Wintergreen Fine Cut. The Hooch Line of products had a really good “feel” to them in my lip. I was a fan of their Spit Fire flavor, it was HOT! Golden Eagle had a good feel, but lacked on flavor, same with BaccOff. Holt was different, since it was made with Alfalfa, had a green tint, good feel, decent flavor, just wasn’t my favorite. Jakes is a pretty good product too, but again, flavor seems to lack. These are all my own personal opinions, what I dislike, you may love.
Regardless, the key to all of these alternatives, is finding one that “will do”. Just find one you can live with and roll with it. Pretend that Grizzly went out of business and this is all that’s out there. You’ve got to do some convincing to yourself if you really want to be quit. Personally, I like the Triumph products. I like them so much, that I will never go back to tobacco again. If I want a dip, it will be a Zero Strength (NO Nicotine) Triumph. I also like Smokey Mountain in a pinch, if I run out of my Triumph and am waiting for my supply to come in the mail.
You guys just got to get out and try these different alternatives. I “hear” the Teaza line is great as well, but I cannot stake a claim, since I haven’t tried it. There are so many great ones out there today, which has made my quit a hell of a lot easier today, than my failed attempt back 15-20 years ago.
Good Luck!
-JP
Any luck with finding an alternative to Grizz Wintergreen Long Cut?
I’m very curious to know if there is anything similar to Skoal apple. Been searching for a while but have yet to find anything. Please let me know if you have heard of anything like that.
Only product close to Skoal Apple is Bacc Off Apple Pouches. Not as “strong” or “long lasting flavor” as there other pouches, but very good.
Im sure you’ve answered something similar to this, but on day two of my quit after about ten years I’m sure u can understand my lack of patience at the moment.. Ive tried smokey mountain and it made my mouth feel horrible. Think it was the molasses? I’m looking for something with the least amount of molasses or sugar or whatever is so sweet it feels my teeth are going to rot out in a week. I dipped skoal long cut and chewed red man so I don’t think I’d be a fan of anything very finely ground.. Flavor isn’t a big deal just want something that will pack real well and not float around my mouth and won’t eat through my teeth. Thanks a lot for the advice and this website is a great thing your doing.
Stevie, in my opinion, the closest “feel” to real tobacco, was the Hooch brand. It’s not my favorite of all of them, but “feel”… I think it’s the closest you’ll find of the fake ones. Just my 2¢…good luck!
-JP
I’ve been using grinds coffee pouches. Not too sweet, been off cope for two weeks
Any recommendations for Skoal Wintergreen POUCHES? I’ve tried Baccoff and Grinds and still looking for the right flavor/feel. Thank you for your help and reply!!
TO –
There are some GREAT pouch alternatives out there. If you’re not into Baccoff and Grinds, I’d point you to the following to start:
Teaza: http://blog.killthecan.org/2013/07/teaza-herbal-energy-pouch-review/
Smokey Mountain: http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/09/smokey-mountain-snuff-review/
Mint Snuff: http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/03/mint-snuff-review-oregon-mint-snuff/
I’m also about ready to post my review of PRO-DIP pouches which are, in a word, outstanding.
Triumph now makes pouches too. I am partial to the loose form of these fake dips, so I cannot give an opinion on them. But their loose, nicotine free (Zero Strength) product is outstanding.
I absolutely, absolutely RECOMMEND TRIUMPH CHEW. I am on day 2 and going strong with no urges of wanting to buy a can of my favorite skoal mint pouches. I had tried the Bacoff, every flavor of grinds, smokey mountain. None of these had that wetness and made you spit like my skoal mint pouches. They were all just to dry. I had posted on here (somewhere) and someone recommended I try triumph chew pouches. I went to the website and 5 cans of the half nicotine. These are the best things so far. I still am spitting in my spit cup at work like I always did (the habit part). It feels like a normal pouch with the wetness. I am on day 1 and half and really enjoying not spending my regular 5$ on a can of chew, and a drink (habit). Plus the triumph mint flavor tastes kind of good. AGAIN, HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU TRY TRIUMPH. I ordered the 5 cans Monday, and they were here by Wednesday
Glad to hear you like the Triumph Lucas. But you should probably be using the Zero STRENGTH, no nicotine versions.
We aim to be free of the poison here, so we only subscribe to the nicotine free alternatives. If you like the product, it should be an easy switch.
-JO
TO, nothing touches Teaza, a great product. I dig the Blackberry.
MT,
I’d point you to Smokey Mountain Straight. The taste is close, as is the feel.
Remember, NONE of these take dips will “exactly” replicate the tobacco abused for all those years. The trick here, is to find one that “will do”. I haven’t found any that are exactly like tobacco. But I do think Smokey Mountain offers a good product that feels like dip and tastes a little like it too…the spit is brown too!
Good Luck!
-JP
Hey, I have been searching your reviews, and all over the internet/youtube and need your suggestion. I am looking for the closest alternative to Skoal Straight Long Cut..I can not put an honest effort into quitting with pouches, and the fine cut alternatives aren’t doing it either…long cut, moist, and as close to a taste to skoal straight as I can get will be the best choice. Do you have any options for me to try? Thanks!
Thank you! I ordered BACCOFF but I will definitely take your recommendation if these don’t do the job.
Pete,
The”best” tasting mint I’ve had was Triumph Herbal Chew. Smokey Mountain Artic Ice isn’t too bad either..Hooch also has a Mint flavor.
If you try Triumph, be sure you try Zero Strength (Nicotine Free)…I do not subscribe to anything with Nicotine in it. Done with that shit. Good Luck.
-JP
Looking for an alternative to Grizzy Mint Longcut. I tried Grinds variety pack but it wasn’t gross enough. Need something closer to tobacco – def not pouches. Thank you.
Hey Chris,
I haven’t had it in quite some time, but the Elicit brand of Herbal Chew is really fine cut. When I tried it, it reminded my of the Cope cut. The flavor is pretty good too.
*Beware though*
Elicit sells their products with and without nicotine in them!
I only tried the “Zero Strength” or Nicotine Free versions….no more of that poison for this 30 year EX dipper!!
Good luck!!
-JP
Hooch classic is the closest I have found to Copenhagen so far, it is still a little bit sweet but the consistency is right, I got a sampler from them so I am going to try all of their flavors, I just need that fine cut feel, any others that are ground fine
is there an alternative that had a similar consistency to Copenhagen fine cut, taste isn’t as big an issue with me as how it feels. I don’t need the nicotine I am addicted to the feel
Hi Chris – what flavor are you looking for? Happy to try and point you in the right direction.
Try Mingua Jerky cans. It’s ground jerky in basically a dip can. It would be like fine cut, and the salt from the jerry makes it burn in your lip.
I’m looking for a good alternative to Copenhagen wintergreen. I’m looking for something that feels like the real thing rather than a specific flavour. I have tried smokey mountain and hated the feel and texture of it. Grinds were fantastic (I love coffee) but I would prefer something that feels like Copenhagen long cut over the pouch.
The one that I thought most “felt” like tobacco is/was Hooch. Hands down, Hooch had a real good “feel”. I am a huge fan of Triumph products. But beware…some of their products can be purchased with Nicotine in them. I DO NOT use any forms of nicotine anymore. Being quit, means just that, QUIT from nicotine.
But I liked the taste and feel of Triumph. But if you’re just looking for feel and not necessarily taste…give Hooch a shot.
Forgot to mention I live in Canada. I just had a look at the hooch website and it doesn’t look like they ship to us up north
I didn’t know they wouldn’t ship outside the US…sorry!
Might want to even try the Triumph…they are based in Colorado.
Good Luck!
back off tobacco hurts the teeth… Good thing is not like Copenhagen or grizzly..
Please clarify – How does Bacc Off hurt teeth?
Im looking for a alternative for redseal natural flavor long cut. I tried back off straight and that went terribly wrong lol. Any insight would be appreciated thank you.
I guess it’s the consistency that gets me the most. SMC just doesn’t have the same consistency as Copenhagen long cut. It doesn’t pack right and you can’t move it around once you put it in its permanent. I ordered some triumph zero nicotine and we will see how that goes. If that’s a no-go I will definitely try hooch and holt. Thanks for the help and support.
Hey Tim, I’m a Triumph guy myself. I only use the Zero Strength too, no more nicotine. I think the Wintergreen flavor most resembles Hawkins, if you’ve ever had Hawkins. I was a Skoal Wintergreen guy, but dabbled with about all the smokeless stuff, and I’ve tried about all the fake stuff too. II cannot say for sure on a Cope flavor, some have said the Classic flavor Triumph (my favorite) tastes like Cope…I don’t think so. I think the Smokey Mountain Strait “tastes” close to Cope. I too enjoy the consistency of Triumph. It’s a great product. The Hooch is another pretty good texture. I don’t think the flavor lasts very long, but the texture of Hooch is almost identical to smokeless tobacco. Spitfire was my fovorite Hooch flavor, that stuff is HOT! Lol! But I enjoy the Triumph, they have a new Bourbon flavor that’s good too…get a 5 pack sampler…the mint is the best of all the mints I had!
-JP
Looking for a Skoal Apple alternative. Anybody have a suggestion?
The only true “apple” alternative that I’m aware of is Root 100 which candidly isn’t one of my favorites and I’m not even sure they’re still in business: http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/09/root100-product-review/
I’d suggest giving TeaZa a look. They don’t have an apple flavor, but have quite a few others that may give you that “flavored” dip experience you’re looking for: http://blog.killthecan.org/2013/07/teaza-herbal-energy-pouch-review/
Sorry I can’t be more helpful.
What would you suggest for Copenhagen long cut straight ?
I had my last Apple Skoal rub on 02/27/15. Been on the hunt for an alternative & spent a few hundred $$$$$$ in the process. I couldn’t find anything that is like AS, but like Chewie said, Teaza is real good. Check into Hooch & Smokey Mountain Chew, both have pretty reasonable sample packs.
Looking for a grizzly wintergreen alternative. Any suggestions?
Hey Bobby – I was a wintergreen Kodiak guy. Give Hooch, Smokey Mountain or Holt a try. Reviews for all three can be found here: http://blog.killthecan.org/reviews/
Any suggestions for Copenhagen wintergreen? I’ve tried smokey mountain wintergreen and I don’t enjoy the flavor or the consistency.
For Wintergreen I’ve always been a big fan of Hooch or Holt. They’ve got very different flavors / consistency than SMC. You may also want to give Mint Snuf a shot but that’s not one of my personal favorites.
I have tried the Elicit brand. I tried it for three times and now my inside of my lip is rough feeling and hurts at the base of gum line. I have chewed for years and really need to stop thought this might be good to try. Any one ever have this experience with an herbal one. The company stated that it is probably the mint stems cutting my lip. I just want to know if anyone else has experienced this?
Hey CD – not quite sure what you’re referring to. What sort of “experience” are you asking about? If you’re talking about using herbal / fake dip then yes, I’ve tried a SLEW of them.
I’ve spent a few hundred dollars on different fake chews & I never had that problem. The biggest problem I had is most of them are just nasty.
Do they have smokeless alternatives in pouch form? I switched to pouches because I hate getting particles stuck between my teeth. Thanks guys.
Hi Patrick – you’re in luck. There are several GREAT alternatives sold in pouch format: http://blog.killthecan.org/tag/pouch/ Let us know what you think!
Patrick, check out Teaza, they are awesome. Sucking on one now.
Hello Patrick… I’ve tried them all and will afree with Dan, Teaza is pretty awesome. However, due to customer service or lack there of, I quit purchasing from them. I’ve been using the BaccOff pouch since then. Closest to actual size of tobacco pouch. Also, Triumph Chew is getting ready to put pouches out. Go to there site and take a look. The company and customer service is awesome. Good Luck!
No Cam, I did have an issue with an order but they did make it right. Call the 855 # & ask for Tianna or hit them up on FB. They have a Bogo special going on right now, basically buy 1 get 1 free. But yes, things could be ran smoother with them no doubt. But man, the product is so good I tolerate it. Besides SMC, which I use if I’m pounding beers, nothing touches Teaza.
Hey Guys,
I’m trying to quite chewing. I like skoal straight but my favorite is skoal peach long cut. Any suggestions on a good alternative.
I appreciate this site and the reviews it has. It’s great thanks
There are 2 peach alternatives that I’ve tried / reviews:
Hooch Rough Peach: http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/01/hooch-peach/
Smokey Mountain Peach: http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/09/smokey-mountain-snuff-review/
I enjoyed both of them. I was not a peach guy back in my chewing days so I can’t compare them to the actual product.
Derek, I’ve tried both Hooch and SM. Both are very good alternatives to Peach. IMO Hooch is the better of the two. If your looking for a good straight… try Triumph Chew. I’ve tried all 4 flavors and the texture is the closest to the real stuff I’ve tried (long cut). Hooch is the closest (fine/medium cut)
I’m curious to know if herbal is that safe?? Some sites say herbal can cause cancer as well. Also some ingredients are bad for your teeth. Any feed back in this would be great
Mason – The fake dips that don’t contain nicotine / tobacco are “safe” to use. I use safe in quotes only because technically it’s not good to put ANYTHING between you cheek and gum for an extended period of time. As for the ingredients… yes, some of them are “bad” but not in a cancer-causing sort of way… more like in a “too much sugar is bad for your teeth” sort of way.
I just recently published this piece on the blog where we asked a dentist about the safety of one herbal chew: http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/04/fake-dip-one-dentists-opinion/
Has anyone tried any of the coffee alternatives? If so how is it? I’m a cope southern blend guy, but I love coffee and tend to drink it all throughout the day. Also I’m 22 and just got diagnosed with leukemia so it’s time for the can to be kicked.
Andrew – yes, I’ve tried them all. I’ve reviewed them on the blog. If you like coffee there are some OUTSTANDING flavors out there.
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/12/grinds-coffee-pouches-review/
http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/04/new-flavors-from-grinds-peppermint-vanilla/
http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/04/cowboy-coffee-chew-major-league-coffee-dip-reviews/
http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/10/go-coffee-energy-review-a-cup-in-a-pinch/
http://blog.killthecan.org/2013/10/baccoff-mocha-review/
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/07/absolut-snus-review/
What is recommended for someone whose used long cut forever?
What flavor are you looking for Grant? Hooch has a “rough cut” that’s nice.
Thank you for the fast replies guys, I’m going to purchase those 2 different flavors and give them a whirl I will be sure to keep you guys updated on which one I’ll be going with.. Smokey mountain straight and spit fire…
I’ve been dipping grizzley straight long cut for about 10 years, does anybody know or heard of an alt for straight? I see a lot for wintergreen and mint, Also would perfer loose over pouches … Thank you ahead of time – Brandon
There are several good “straight” alternatives. I’d suggest starting with either Smokey Mountain Straight, Classic or Hooch Classic or Spitfire (if you want a bit of a kick).
Hey Brandon, I was going to say the same as Chewie did. Smokey Mountain makes a straight….that Spit Fire from Hooch is a really “hot” one as well. Probably was my favorite among the Hooch brand. But I don’t think I’ve ever had the Straight by Smokey Mountain, but have seen it.
Almost forgot to mention Triumph’s classic. I was a Skoal Winter green guy….so most of what I tried with the alternatives is Wintergreen. But when I tried this classic flavor from Triumph, it automatically became my favorite. I’ve had classic flavors from Skoal before….but this Triumph is a little different….not sure “what” the taste is, spicy and “cola” like? I don’t know….but its worth a whirl too. Free shipping too =’s WINNING!!
hey brandon i feel like triumph is a good alternitive ive only heard good things however i have tryed smokey moutain straight it dont taste nothing like it
A few years ago i found a tobbacolees snuff called Rizla Natural Choice. Has anyone seen it anymore?
Hmm… no, I’ve never run across it. I’ll see if I can’t track it down.
Anyone tried to kick Grizzley Wintergreen using any of these alternatives? Any suggestions would be appreciated. I’ve been been in the can for 26 years now and just found this site. Thank you in advance for your help.
I was a Kodiak Wintergreen guy. I’d point you to Hooch, Smokey Mountain, Bacc Off and Holt. All have outstanding Wintergreen products. Let me know how I can help.
Just to follow up with what Chewie said, honestly, nothing will be “exactly” like your Grizzly, his Kodiak or my Skoal. The key, at least for me, was to pretend in your mind, Skoal is no longer available, it isn’t made anymore. Then, find something you enjoy and will “do”. For me, I do like the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen….pretty good, a little sweet compared to tobacco. But what I absolutely love as a dip alternative is the Triumph. Its not really anything like my Skoal, but it tastes good to me and works when I’m in a “pinch” for one. Hope that helps, and welcome to a great website to help with your quit!
Were you able to find a good alternative? I’m also a Grizzley Wintergreen user…
I am also trying kick Grizzly Wintergreen. I just recently tried Golden Eagle Herbal Chew Wintergreen. I won’t do that again it was too grainy and too dry. I’m trying to find one that’s actually moist to help replace Grizzly with how moist it was.
If you’re going for moist, I’d point you to Hooch Wintergreen as a starting point. My review here: http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/10/hooch-snuff-review/
Looking to quit Copenhagen. Thanks for the product review. I’m going to try the Smokey Mountains Classic.
Hey Scott, please let me know if that classic Smokey Mountain has a similar taste to the Cope. I know nothing is going to be the same as the Cope, none of the fake dips I use are “exactly” the same as my Skoal Wintergreen. I have just found some alternatives that “will do”. That’s the key I guess. But let me know what you think and good luck on defeating the tobacco. I am now on day 51 without the tobacco and nicotine.
Just to follow up I quit Copenhagen for almost 6 weeks now. I tried the substitute for about 3 dips and quit.
I used the nicotine patch and when the urge got to me I chewed the 4mg nicotine gum. And sometimes I would chew two pieces at a time. Then I would mix regularl chewing gum with it. After the patches were gone I only use the nicotine gum. Yes it’s a new habit but much safer. And each day its easier and now I don’t think or crave the Copenhagen. I gained a few pounds and have toothpicks handy and nicotine gum within reach while driving my semi.
At The Drug Counter Of CVS They Sell Bottles Of Concentrated Candy Flavor,Dip The Toothpicks In It.
Just to follow up on my 4 pack of Triumph, as expected, I was not disappointed! I have not had the cinammon yet, but the Wintergreen, Classic and Mint were all SOLID! I was told the Classic was suppose to Mimic Cope, but I found it just to be something of its own. Very tasty I must add. Kind of spicy. The Mint was probably the best Mint I’ve had of the fakes.
Any recommendations for something that’s similar to Copenhagen Long cut?
Samir….I was a Skoal guy, but I dabbled with Cope over then years. I think that Smokey Mountains Classic is the closest to Cope as any I’ve tried. Try it and let us know. I’ve been trying to get a Cope guy on my golf league to try it and give me his thoughts….so if you do, let me know. Thanks and Good Luck!
Best I’ve found is SMC classic. I would be open to other alternatives
After dipping for 25+ years (Skoal Wintergreen Long Cut), thru suggestions on this site, I tried the wintergreen triumph, loved it, so decided to order a 4 pack sampler (wintergreen, cinnamon, classic & mint). As with others on here! I will only experiment with zero nicotine strength products…no more poison for this guy